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Wifi-6 Speed Disappointing, and interference from other routers

My setup:  Gigabit Fiber, EERO-6 Pro, Nighthawk 7000p, ISP Modem(w/Wifi)

Tests: Speedtest.net (direct to my ISP actually). No server changes, each test >5x

Ethernet to ISP Modem ->  960MB Up/ 960MB Down (nearly 1GB)

All devices were ~6 feet from the router.

 

Euro-6 Pro (Wifi-6/802.11ax):

Wifi-6 Card:  640MB Up/ 750 Down (Desktop)

IPhone-11 Pro Max:  550 UP/ 550 Down  (Phone) <-- This is Wifi-6 Enabled!

MacBook Pro: 550 UP/ 750 Down (Laptop)

Turning on the Nighthawk (they are 'fairly close ~8inches) - 150Down / 20-75 up (All Wifi Devices on EERO)

Security was tested both enabled and disabled, no difference was found (NOT using any advanced security/AV/Site Filtering/etc)

 

Nighthawk 7000p (Wifi-5 / 802.11ac):

Wifi-6 Card:  560MB Up/ 600 Down (Desktop)

IPhone-11 Pro Max:  450Up/400 Down (Phone)

MaxBook Pro: 450 UP/ 500 Down (Laptop)

 

My question is this:

(1) When turning on the other router, EERO's performance drops DRASTICALLY-- the other 2 routers operate just fine though. You can see in "SpeedTest" the meter bounce and struggle all over the place (albiet at low datarates, bouncing 20,60,30,80,40 in speed).

(2) I'm seeing on the Wifi-6 card that the Up/Down link is 1200mbs, not 2400mbs.  This is the latest and greatest Wifi-6 PCIe card w/Intel Chipset.  Why is the performance not anywhere near the 1gb limit (like the ethernet)?? Its not even hitting 1/2 of the 1200mbs up/down (though it should report 2-2.5x that).

(3) Why does the IPhone-11 (the 11 and 12 are Wifi-6) not gain any significant boost in performance over the Nighthawk Router.

 

The Ethernet direct to modem connection is constant at 960MB up/down... I would have thought the EERO-6 Pro would perform much closer?? 

Ping times are 11-12ms on the Nighthawk, 8-10ms on the EERO-Pro to the ISP Speedtest.

 

Anyone have any ideas?

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  • You’re murdering your wireless environment by having both routers turned on at the same time. That’s the reason you’re seeing decreased performance when you turn on the Nighthawk. You’re creating *tons* of interference—especially when they are so close to each other.

    You aren’t going to max out your Gigabit internet connection from a WiFi device. You definitely can from a wired device (which you’ve proven), but your WiFi devices don’t support those high of speeds in a real world environment. You’re actually getting really good results.

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      • aaronuae
      • aaronuae
      • 3 wk ago
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      cMoo92 one at a time.. both are not on at the same time.  My WiFi devices do infact support those speeds.. especially the PCIe board which fully supports 2401 up/down.. full 802.11ac... it’s 4 feet away and gets .. the same as the iPhone... 650mbs.  

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  • From Reddit a few hours ago, others are seeing the same on Fibre (basically Wifi-6 speeds aren't nearly what they should be)

     

    "Mine is set up now and I’m seeing around 300 Mbps on a fios gigabit connection. Thought it would be much faster? I can confirm on the main router that is wired to my ONT the download speed is 900+"

    https://www.reddit.com/r/eero/comments/jnc96b/pro_6_in_the_house/

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  • And more:

    "Interesting I just hooked my 3 pack up and I’m not having the same experience. I have gigabyte service and am maxing out at 450-500mbps right next to the gateway. Getting between 200-400mbps everywhere else. Not sure what my issue is??"

    https://www.reddit.com/r/eero/comments/jndapl/and_here_we_go_eero_6_pro_time/

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  • ... and the saga continues:

     

    "I’m having a very similar experience. Would get about 650 on my original Orbi. On the new eero pro 6 I’m only getting 300 if I’m lucky.. it sometimes drops to 40-50 on the satellite closest to the main unit. Not sure what’s wrong but this is not what I expected. Testing on iPhone SE 2nd gen which has WiFi 6. Noticed my amazon fire cube is buffering a lot too now."

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  • Looks like this has been going on for a year?

    https://community.eero.com/t/18wx5t/poor-performance

     

    Anyone else (with Fiber) getting >650MB Down?

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  • "I have gigabit and an Eero Pro 6 that just arrive dtoday. Eero app is showing ~930 Mbps up and down. But on my wifi 6/ax devices (iPad Pro 2020, for example), about 10 feet way with clear line of sight, I'm only getting about 400 Mbps up/down. What speeds should I be expecting, and what is everyone else getting?"

    "I am looking at the exact same. The highest I hit is 600 down but consistent around 450. I had eero tech support check my network and all good. I was hoping to be up in the 800s"

    https://www.reddit.com/r/eero/comments/jo7hyd/what_eero_pro_6_wifi_speeds_should_i_expect_on/

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  • "i went from eero pro to eero pro 6 and my wifi speeds have essentially consistently doubled from Erro Pro to Erro Pro 6. i have AT&T so trying to figure out if i need to make changes to my modem gateway but i set up my PRO 6 as i had my Eero Pro. average about 350MB my fastest when i had limited devices was 500MB download and upload I have a 1GB connection. 2 of my 3 Erro Pro 6 are wired"

     

    https://www.reddit.com/r/eero/comments/jo1jsi/speed_before_and_after/

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  • First off, WiFi 6 refers ONLY to the speeds on your home network, NOT your speeds on the internet. 
     

    second, WiFi Internet speeds are ALWAYS slower than wired speeds. Your peak speeds may sometimes approach Ethernet speeds, but overall your average speeds are usually half of whatever Internet speeds your paying for. If you look on the box for your Eero’s as well as all other routers, they all say that. 

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      • aaronuae
      • aaronuae
      • 3 wk ago
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      Richard1864 Richard... let me give you a better example:  Direct-to-socket connection via native host API (Winsock/Sockets/etc).  The Eero Pro-6 is topping out at 650mb/sec.  (There's no internet involved).  Enternet ports are transferring at 1gb (980mbs to be specific).   My 7000P Nighthawk is pushing 550/mbs (Wifi-5).

       

      So, to address your "Wifi" (lets forget the word 'internet' since I eliminated it, and it has nothing to do with this anyway since I have a constant 1GB to the Speed-test server (its my ISP, direct-fiber, no hops anyway).

       

      My point is simple:  I expected more than an 18% improvement over Wifi-5 (802.11ac) compared to Wifi-6 (802.11ax).  In theory, the spec got upwards of 2.3+GB/sec does it not?  Furthermore, my Wifi card indicates the connection is 1201/1201 (up/down link speed) [yes thats 1201, not 1200 :shrug:].  So, in theory, latency aside (since we're talking a stream not burst), it should be able to move >650mb/sec, and it does NOT.

       

      However, I'm now seeing reviews of other routers which are infact hitting the 1gb/sec speed (those on fiber also) with other routers, and testing against the EERO and topping out (like myself) at 650mb/sec.

       

      To ME this implies there's something wrong with the implementation/firmware or just a plain 'ole bug in the code, or its CPU isn't fast enough to handle Wifi-6.

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  • aaronuae Thanks for notifying us about this! The eero Pro 6 can theoretically get 1g over wifi, however real world interference and other factors can reduce that value. Based on the results you mentioned, all devices seem to be getting about 100 mbps (give or take 20) more than the previous wifi 5 router you were using. While it may not seem like a lot to some, a lot can be done with 100 mbps. According to Netflix's website, HD streaming only take about 5 mbps so thats 20 extra streams, theoretically.

    All that said, I understand this may not be the results you were expecting. You can always give us a call or send an email so we can look into things further with you.

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  • Its not about if "100mbs" is faster than it was, etc.  Its the fact it can't keep up with the spec.  Nor is it able to deliver 1gb (or even close to it) for a direct PEER to PEER connection.  (Wifi-6 to another PC connected via Wifi-6 or ethernet for example).

     

    As far as handling "x netflix" streams, 802.11N is sufficient (actually 802.11g)... and I don't care about 'netflix'.  I need to move gigabytes of files from one location to another over the network (there's no internet involved).  And the EERO pro-6 is running 40-50% slower than the spec.  And thats a problem.

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    • aaronuae I completely understand that you are expecting higher wireless speeds. Please send us an email to support@eero.com with the subject line "Community Followup" or give us a call and we can investigate this further.

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  • I’m not having any of those speed issues with my Eero Pro 6’s. Speed test results using iPhone 12 with Qualcomm X55 modem/WiFi chipset, Xfijity XB7 Gateway in bridge mode, and OpenDNS. 

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      • aaronuae
      • aaronuae
      • 3 wk ago
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      Richard1864 umm... no you’re much worse off... 41mb up speed? Are you using a 56k modem for your uplink?? You’re WAAAAYYYY worse off than me.  I have 1gb up/down wired and 650mb up/down WiFi (peer to peer(enternet)) or internet— same for me since speedtest goes directly to my isp.. I thought I had it bad.. ouch!

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    • aaronuae Xfinity only does 1 Gbps down and 35 Mbps up, NOT 1 Gbps up and down. So no, I’m not doing worse than you; before saying someone is worse off than you, find out what their actual bandwidth is FIRST.  99% of America’s ISP’s do NOT provide the same up and down internet speeds  

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      • Mgreer316
      • Mgreer316
      • 3 wk ago
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      aaronuae I believe Comcast/Xfinity is the largest broadband ISP in the country. Whatever technology they're using caps the upload speeds. Therefore, anybody on Xfinity get get more than 40 mbps up. I don't believe fiber is available to even half of the country so you're lucky to have access. You are in the minority. 

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  • You note that your device is connecting at a 1201Mbps transfer rate, so your 650Mbps speed test is right in line with that (WiFi speeds will be about 1/2 of your devices negotiated transfer rate). As listed on the eero website:

    PEAK PHY RATES

    2.4 GHz: 574 Mbps

    5 GHz Lo: 1201 Mbps

    5 GHz Hi: 2402 Mbps

     

    So this tells me your eero is using a 5Ghz channel in the lower spectrum band. After a few days as the eero network optimizes itself, it might switch to the higher spectrum bands if your wireless environment allows for it (based on other interference, etc). Then you’ll probably see higher speeds.

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  • Having the same problem. I’m on Google Fiber not even breaking 150 Mbps on my iPhone 11 Pro Max (wifi 6). 
      

    This is happening for me in both bridge and automatic mode  

     

    I was getting faster speeds on my Orbi setup that uses 802.11ac 

     

    This is my first experience with Eero and so far, I'm very disappointed and frustrated after dropping $600 for the 3 pack

     

    I ran this speed test right next to one of the satellites. I'm pissed. 

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  • To add to the mystery, my 2016 MacBook Pro (802.11ac radio) is getting faster speeds than an iPhone 11 Pro Max that supports wifi 6. 

     

    None of this makes sense and I'm very close to returning these and going with the new Orbi wifi 6 devices if I can't get a resolution from Eero Support when I call them later today... 

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  • Hey Jenkman91 - thanks for chiming in. We'd definitely like to take a look here to see what's going on; please send us an email at support@eero.com with the subject "Community followup" so that we can easily locate your email.

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      • Jenkman91
      • Jenkman91
      • 3 wk ago
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      Chris Done

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  • I wrote them on twitter before to discover the forum.

    I did perform some lan speed test by having a server on a wired laptop and the client on a surfacebook 3 (wifi 6 compatible) and the performance are not as expected at all, I cant have more than 500Mbps...

    They asked me to do a soft reset but after spending 1hour to enter all the mac adress of my IOT devices, not ready to start again

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      • aaronuae
      • aaronuae
      • 3 wk ago
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      lbouriez I’ve done some additional tests— if you can move the eero away from any other routers, or turn others off, try the speeds again... I’m seeing that the eero either cannot share channels properly, or cannot correctly find a less used channel, or simply has some login flaw in its filtering (dunno if you are using any kind of SDR inside or not).. either way, it suffers horribly with any RF emissions near it (my other equipment continues to operate fine either way— it’s a eero problem). See if that makes any difference if in fact it’s near any other equipment.

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      • lbouriez
      • lbouriez
      • 3 wk ago
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      aaronuae The eero is closed to the modem but the wifi is off so cant be.

      However, it's also close to a zigbee hub, I will do some more tests tomorrow but I am still disappointed, a piece of hardware expensive like this shouldn't make me spend so much time...

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      • aaronuae
      • aaronuae
      • 3 wk ago
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      Ya.. I’m not thrilled with a lot of things... and I haven’t even started in the lack of any web interface and lack of real configuration— clearly it’s for grandma to use— which it does do very well.. what’s good for grandma might not be what you’re looking for— I’d at least like to have the ability. Oh well... just wanna a side router with WiFi-6 for all the “speed”... which.. it hasn’t delivered. But, in your case, those words are awe full and your setup isn’t too different from mine... but when I had the eero near anything else it’s speeds dropped to 30-80mbs.. or about a 65-85% loss in speed.. try a long enternet cable and move it away and keep us posted!!

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      • lbouriez
      • lbouriez
      • 3 wk ago
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      aaronuae I did turn off my router that I have close to the eero and the speed did double, from 350mbps to 660mbps... But since there are no option to have 2 ssid on 2 different vlan to split IOT devices from my main network, I dont know how to do :/

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  • So, further testing (on a MacBook Pro 2017, on 802.11ac):

    Top 3 tests are on 802.11AC (wifi-5) with the EERO 6-Pro >OFF< (and you can see my download is topping our right at the max).

    Turn it on (even in proximity) of my router causes significant performance degragation.

    Furthermore, with only the EERO 6-Pro on and the 802.11ac router off, I am getting 350-400mbs on 802.11ac from the Euro 6-Pro (using it in Wifi-5 mode basically, since not all my devices are going to be wifi-6 naturally, such as my laptop, PS4, or my FireTVs (SamSung)).

     

    Latency is ~9-11ms Wifi-5 or 6, so no improvement there.

    My link speeds according to my Wifi-6 adaptor are really odd-- I am seeing the EERO pro selecting Channel 40, 80ghz, with Various Link Speeds:  1201/1201,  6000MB/6000MB ** Note thats MB, and 1201/250.  

    There seems to be significant interference from the EERO pro and my routers. If, however, I turn off the EERO pro, and turn >ALL< (I have 5) routers on, they perform identical (regardless of how many I turn on or off), until I turn the EERO on... then ALL of them (performance wise) go down by 50-80% and you can see (speedtest.net) the 'needle' "POP" around (no longer smooth) bouncing around.

     

    DATE /TIME  PING
    ms
     DOWNLOAD
    Mbps
     UPLOAD
    Mbps
    DISTANCE
    mi
    LOCATION /SERVERPROVIDER

    11/06/2020
    11:19 PM

    10

    490.87

    286.00

    ~ 100

    San Antonio, TX

    Sprint

    + 3 more

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    11:18 PM

    11

    513.75

    345.35

    < 50

    Austin, TX

    Sprint

    + 3 more

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    11:16 PM

    10

    531.69

    442.64

    ~ 100

    San Antonio, TX

    Sprint

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    11:15 PM

    11

    202.34

    208.80

    ~ 100

    San Antonio, TX

    Sprint

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    11:14 PM

    11

    186.75

    224.85

    ~ 100

    San Antonio, TX

    Sprint

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    11:11 PM

    10

    198.54

    194.69

    < 50

    Austin, TX

    Sprint

    + 3 more

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    11:10 PM

    10

    284.42

    58.24

    < 50

    Austin, TX

    Sprint

    + 3 more

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    11:08 PM

    10

    108.01

    372.02

    < 50

    Austin, TX

    Sprint

    + 3 more

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    10:49 PM

    11

    413.60

    441.78

    < 50

    Austin, TX

    Sprint

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    10:48 PM

    10

    78.42

    356.89

    < 50

    Austin, TX

    Sprint

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    10:47 PM

    10

    160.88

    219.69

    < 50

    Austin, TX

    Sprint

    AT&T Internet

     

    11/06/2020
    10:46 PM

    9

    164.52

    312.44

    < 50

    Austin, TX

    Sprint

    AT&T Internet

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