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Feature Request: Add support for PPPoE

many ISPs, including CenturyLink require PPPoE. Without this support, eero cannot be used as a router and only as a bridge. 

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    • soeun
    • 3 yrs ago
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    Trying to avoid using the centurylink ui as well as their modem/router unit. Plugging eero directly would be most ideal. Currently doing that with the netgear nighthawk. I'm waiting for Eero's wifi6 solution. Hopefully PPPoE will be implemented there, otherwise i'm giving up on Eero. 

    • Fballan93
    • 3 yrs ago
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    Im shocked that this feature has yet have any advancement . Any future update eero team ?

    • martinpaoloni
    • 3 yrs ago
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    Movistar's FTTH service in Argentina (and other LATAM countries) is provided via a modem+router+AP combo device. If you disable the embedded router+AP, you need to connect via PPPoE. So therefore until Eero implements PPPoE, it is incompatible with one of the most popular ISPs here. Unless you do double NAT, which is less than ideal.

    • Belfong
    • 3 yrs ago
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    Eero is now available in UK, right? Majority of their potential customers would need PPPoE due to UK ISP being primarily on PPPoE. Hopefully, they will now consider this.

    • Bozmoz
    • 3 yrs ago
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    I created an account just to post this. I was looking at Eero to compare against the TP-Link Deco devices but I live in the UK and 80%+ of our ISP connections run on Openreach VDSL which requires PPPoE to connect. 
     

    so without this capability the market for eero in the UK is tiny, relying on selling to virgin media customers (DOCSIS) or maybe hyperoptic which only a few homes have access to.

     

    Eero is a paperweight here in the UK until PPPoE gets added.

    • marklemac
    • 3 yrs ago
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    I just bought an Eero Pro triple from the Apple Store a week ago, as it's now official in the UK.

    Stuck it in bridge mode to start with as it was the easy option until I had the time to play with it and then the potential rebuild of my homekit system.

    Last night I sat down and thought right, let's ditch the EE router and plug my modem in.

    To discover, the Eero doesn't support PPPoE.

    The UK RUNS on PPPoE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!         (unless you're a virgin customer)

    Come on Eero, if you want to sell this product to us in the UK, we need this option.

    • Asmithb
    • 3 yrs ago
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    I’ve just purchased a pair of eero’s from Amazon UK and I’m shocked they are sold in a market where most ISPs require PPPoE. Please implement PPPoE because double NAT or bridge mode both have limitations.

    • messenger
    • 3 yrs ago
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    Am another UK customer that didn't find out until setting up that this was an issue. Not sure whether this sits with eero or amazon here in the UK, but had another quick look over the amazon site and it doesn't state the restriction for UK customers. 

    Bit naughty really, as you are hobbling the system by bridging and not getting half the stuff you bought it for and Double Nat'ing isn't really a solution for some with PS4's and Xbox's.

    I've managed to get round it using a DMZ on my modem/router, but id say there will be alot of people who would be scared off by doing this, I didn't have a clue how to do it until after a few days trial and error googling the question.

    It might be worth an update on the erro website on how to do this???? so at lest people can give it a try if they want too. that being said am told DMZ'ing isn't a true solution and can still cause the odd problem.

    For me am happy to go this route until "hopefully" eero add PPPOE ……… like Google have done on their system..... just saying.....

      • TheKasif
      • 3 yrs ago
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      messenger  I hope they add support soon for PPPoE, I'm currently using bridge mode but losing a lot of the eero features. :(

      • messenger
      • 3 yrs ago
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      TheKasif I have found that putting the main eero ( connected to router/modem combi ) into a DMZ does help and have been able to keep my system “not” bridged and working well. If you fancy giving it a go I can explain what I did.

      • marklemac
      • 3 yrs ago
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      messenger please do explain 😊

    • messenger
    • 3 yrs ago
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    Ok so am not an I.T expert by any stretch of the imagination so please excuse any terms i get completely wrong !


    First note down the external IP Address your modem/router has give your eero. It’s found under >settings >advanced in the Eero app. This is the IP address you are going to put into the DMZ within your modem/routers settings.

    Then you need to log into your modem/router settings, can’t help you here as this will be different for most. Quick google should help here.

    Once logged in you need to find the DMZ setting , most modem/routers have it, my setting (tp-link router) was under >forwarding in advanced settings.

    There should only be a few settings here , enable/disable and a box to enter in the IP address you noted from the eero.

    Enter the IP and save! You then may need to reset the modem/router. 
     

    That should be it. From what I’ve read this basically lets everything flow through the modem/router untouched to the eero via that IP address and lets the eero sort the nat’ing.

      • jerrylion
      • 3 yrs ago
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      messenger thanks for your explanation, is really good. One question, when it comes to DHCP both the modem/router and the eero keep it enabled? and if yes, is the IP address range the same or must be different on the eero? (assuming eero is in the DMZ and has a static IP address from the modem and modem wifi is OFF and nothing else is connected to it) thanks in advance.

      • messenger
      • 3 yrs ago
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      jerrylion yes both are enabled for DHCP on modem/router & eero, but from what I understand, by having the gateway eeros IP in the DMZ (what’s been assigned to it by the modem/router), the modem/routers DHCP process is bypassed and the eero takes the load. Yes I have WiFi off on the modem/router but due to its location have 2 PCs hardwired in to 2 spare ports and all seems to work fine. I haven’t fixed a static IP for the main eero so I do check to make sure the modem/router, if restarted for any reason, hasn’t given the main eero a new IP, then that wouldn’t match what’s in the DMZ. I hope that makes sense , as said am not an IT expert by any stretch of the imagination! I’ll have another go at answering if I’ve missed what you meant :) the litmus test for me was I have 2 PS4s in the house and with this set up have no issues with online gaming 👍

      • jerrylion
      • 3 yrs ago
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      messenger thank you so much for your response. I haven't get the eero yet (order it's been processed), but I went ahead and tested this with an Airport extreme router. What I did:

      -Disabled wifi in modem/router

      -Disabled DHCP in modem/router

      -Disconnected all physical (ethernet) devices from modem/router

      -Added static IP on the router (Airport/eero)

      -Enabled DHCP/NAT on the router (Airport/eero) IP range HAD to be different from modem/router:

      So modem/router is now: Public IP and Private IP 192.168.1.1

      Router (Airport/eero) is now: Private IP 192.168.1.2 (first IP assigned by modem/router) and distributes IPs from 192.168.2.2 to 192.168.2.200 (note the last bits starts from 2.X as opposed to 1.X)

      -Added the Airport/eero IP (192.168.1.2) to the DMZ in the modem/router

       

      Everything seems to work well, but I don't have any gaming to test issues with double NATing, Airport extreme gives me a warning though that it is double NATing and should rather be in bridge mode.

      I can see both the modem/router at 192.168.1.1 and devices on segment 192.168.2.X I would assume if modem/router had the WIFI enabled or any other devices connected physically I would be able to also see them from the network created by Airport.

      I am not technical either so apologies if my language is incorrect :)

      Can't wait for my eero to arrive and experience this for real and see a big improvement in my network and WIFI.

      Another question I have in mind (a bit off topic) is if I will be able to subscribe to Secure Plus as I am located in Australia, contact support told me is not available in my Country but I wonder how can they prevent/stop me from purchasing and if I manage to purchase (US phone/address, etc), would it work or not? anyone know? are there any IP location controls and if yes, can they be bypassed?  :)

      thanks once again.

      • messenger
      • 3 yrs ago
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      jerrylion hi, sorry for late reply works been manic, but shouldn't really complain in current climate!! tbh it sounds like you have more knowledge then me, as I didn't do any of the above that you are describing other then place the assigned IP into the DMZ, which then allows my eero to work as if stand alone and not behind another router. I noticed when catching up on the thread jhollington also explains a similar set up below.

    • Alan
    • 3 yrs ago
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    I too wish that Eero would support PPPoE. I decided to install a mesh system in the home and after researching the options on line and on Youtube concluded that Eero Pro was the system for me. This is what the Amazon UK site has to say: 

    • Works with your internet service provider: eero Pro connects with your modem to bring your existing internet connection to every corner of your home.
    • Set up in minutes: the eero app walks you through setup and allows you to manage and control your network from anywhere.

    I noticed on the Youtube videos however that they did not mention the need to sign in to the ISP to gain access to the internet, so I looked more closely and found the lack of support for DSL ISP systems. Then I found this thread. I am not very technically confident and know nothing of PPPoE, DMZ, Bridges or Double NAT and have little desire to try to find out more, especially since the solutions suggested above may result in a lack of some functions of the Eero system. 

    It seems that Eero may have the support under review as they seem to have for the past 3 years. It may be because the Eero firmware cannot easily be adapted, or some other reason but Eero presumably know that DSL ISPs are common across the world so by not supporting these identification needs they must be missing out on a large market worldwide. Is is not possible for Eero to work with Modem manufacturers to tweak an existing stand alone Modem to enable it to carry out this function? As most Modem manufacturers also make Modem Router combos they presumably already have this technology.

    My research has also suggested that the Eero may not be the only mesh system with this issue. Until the issue is resolved there is no point me purchasing the Eero Pro until it really is plug and play and can be set up in minutes.

    • shawnsbrain66
    • 3 yrs ago
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    My ISP here in Illinois also uses PPPOE, so I have to double NAT to get all of EERO's features.  
    It's obvious that EERO will never implement PPPOE, even though every other router/mesh system does. 
    It used to be that EERO was the only workable mesh system out there, but there are lots of them now.  Return them and try Google's or TP Link's mesh.
    I just wish EERO would be forthcoming in their product placements and clearly state that the will never do PPPOE before people drop their hard earned money on them. 

    • UnBip
    • 3 yrs ago
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    Same here, with Bell Gigabit Fibre. And PPPoE would be highly appreciated as the ISP modem/router don't have a bridge mode.

      • jhollington
      • 3 yrs ago
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      UnBip Actually, if you're using the Bell Home Hub 3000, you can set it to "Advanced DMZ" mode, which is basically a bridge mode for all intents and purposes (there are technically some differences, but those aren't things that are likely to matter to 99% of normal home users). 

      The Advanced DMZ mode allows you to assign the public IP address of the HH3000 to a specific device on your LAN, based on its MAC address. This will allow your Eero to basically act like a normal router rather than being stuck in bridge mode or having to suffer with double NAT.

      To set this up, you simply need to log into your HH3000, go to "Advanced tools and settings" and then "DMZ" and check the box marked "Advanced DMZ" and either type in or paste in the MAC address of your Eero. Make sure you leave DHCP enabled on your HH3000 as well, as this needs to be on for the Eero to pick up the public IP address automatically. 

      • jerrylion
      • 3 yrs ago
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      jhollington are you sure the eero would get a public IP address or the one provided by the HDCP server on the modem, which cannot be public.

      • jhollington
      • 3 yrs ago
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      jerrylion Definitely. I'm waiting for my Eero Pro system to arrive later this week, but I just tested the configuration with my existing router earlier today (a Netgear RAX80), and it's running on the public IP address.

      In fact, if you go to the DMZ settings, you'll actually see this explained under the "Advanced DMZ" section, with your public IP address shown right in the description.

      There's some jiggery-pokery that the HH3000 is doing to accomplish this, as the internal IP address of the HH3000 still shows up in ICMP traces, and the public IP still exists on the HH3000 WAN interface as well, and it continues working as a NAT router in its own fashion, but for all intents and purposes, it works just fine for most typical use cases, including passing traffic back to services running behind the internal router via port forwarding, and even inbound VPN connections (I've seen some older reports that it doesn't pass ESP properly for pure IPSec, but OpenVPN appears to work just fine).

      • Oully
      • 3 yrs ago
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      jhollington 

      • Oully
      • 3 yrs ago
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      jhollington were you able to get the Eero to connect with the advanced DMZ?  I can see the correct IP in the Eero app, but it will not connect to the internet. Thanks in advance!

      • jhollington
      • 3 yrs ago
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      Oully My Eero Pro finally arrived, and did seem to be a little bit temperamental compared to setting it up with my RAX80, but I managed to get it working in the end.

      The critical factor in my case seemed to be getting the latest Eero updates installed first, before I enabled the advanced DMZ feature. I don't know if there was a compatibility problem in the firmware that shipped with the Eero Pro (I didn't check which version it was originally), but I was more or less having the same issue as you were when I first set it up — the Eero Pro got the public IP address from the Home Hub 3000 just fine, but couldn't actually reach the internet. 

      However, after I disabled advanced DMZ and let the Eero Pro install the latest firmware update (basically letting it just lease an internal private IP address from the Home Hub 3000 like any other device would), I was then able to get it working after I turned the advanced DMZ back on — although it did require a couple of reboots of both the Home Hub 3000 and the Eero Pro before it decided to give up its old private IP address and pick up the public address from the Home Hub 3000 instead.

      When configuring the advanced DMZ, also make sure that you're using the correct MAC address, as each of the two Ethernet ports on the Eero Pro has a different one (they appear to be one digit off in my case, which is probably the norm for all units). If you assign the MAC address that the Home Hub 3000 actually "sees" for the Eero you should be fine (you should see "Eero" on the list of devices in the DMZ screen), but once you've done that you have to make sure you always leave it plugged into the same Ethernet port. 

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